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		<title>Comment on Unclean, unclean! What historians can do about sharing our messy research data by On hoarding &#124; cradledincaricature</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] made during our research (though with a little data management training it would be possible, Sharon Howard has some useful thoughts on this). But making available initial reflections on research findings would be a start (David Weinberger [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] made during our research (though with a little data management training it would be possible, Sharon Howard has some useful thoughts on this). But making available initial reflections on research findings would be a start (David Weinberger [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unclean, unclean! What historians can do about sharing our messy research data by jwbaker</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2013 11:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Open Refine has been my new best friend for a few months now. Tony Hirst has some nice protips on his blog &gt; http://blog.ouseful.info/?s=google+refine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Refine has been my new best friend for a few months now. Tony Hirst has some nice protips on his blog &gt; <a href="http://blog.ouseful.info/?s=google+refine" rel="nofollow">http://blog.ouseful.info/?s=google+refine</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Academic blogging: pleasure and credit by timhitchcock</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 08:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just because you invited me to...  I have very much enjoyed the blog and conversation.  And the only thing I really want to add is that my experience of asking undergraduates to blog their assessed work has been entirely positive (so far).  Their writing becomes clearer and less prone to &#039;academese&#039;; and the public nature of blogging ensures that they generally take the process more seriously than if there was no possibility of any one but me reading the piece.  

I will always remember the first time a student posted a critique of a big historical website as an assessed bit of coursework, only to be contacted (in the nicest way) by the team responsible for it.  The student was flattered, and immediately engaged in a long conversation with the developers about what worked and what didn&#039;t and how the student had experienced the site.  In subesquent weeks, I saw the student&#039;s work change - become more serious, thoughtful and generally just better.  The particular course involved is really an exercise in encouraging students to become what I think of as aggressive and critical users of online historical resources - and blogging is a big part of it.

The one other point I would make about this, is that a traditional essay is designed to give students the skills of researching and presenting an argument in a way that is transferrable and relevant for a broader range of activities (even getting a job).  As the process of running stuff changes, I just don&#039;t see any downside in asking our students to practise a bit at what we all are increasingly called upon to do - to work in public and to show our research process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you invited me to&#8230;  I have very much enjoyed the blog and conversation.  And the only thing I really want to add is that my experience of asking undergraduates to blog their assessed work has been entirely positive (so far).  Their writing becomes clearer and less prone to &#8216;academese&#8217;; and the public nature of blogging ensures that they generally take the process more seriously than if there was no possibility of any one but me reading the piece.  </p>
<p>I will always remember the first time a student posted a critique of a big historical website as an assessed bit of coursework, only to be contacted (in the nicest way) by the team responsible for it.  The student was flattered, and immediately engaged in a long conversation with the developers about what worked and what didn&#8217;t and how the student had experienced the site.  In subesquent weeks, I saw the student&#8217;s work change &#8211; become more serious, thoughtful and generally just better.  The particular course involved is really an exercise in encouraging students to become what I think of as aggressive and critical users of online historical resources &#8211; and blogging is a big part of it.</p>
<p>The one other point I would make about this, is that a traditional essay is designed to give students the skills of researching and presenting an argument in a way that is transferrable and relevant for a broader range of activities (even getting a job).  As the process of running stuff changes, I just don&#8217;t see any downside in asking our students to practise a bit at what we all are increasingly called upon to do &#8211; to work in public and to show our research process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Academic blogging: pleasure and credit by Sharon Howard</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if he&#039;ll drop by here, but Tim Hitchcock mentioned on Twitter the other day that he makes his students blog their assessed work, and his justification to them for making them do it is that even as undergraduates they&#039;re part of a scholarly community. 

I think there&#039;s a handful of independent student (other than PhD student) blogs in Early Modern Commons, and there&#039;s recently been a good students&#039; course blog (from an English dept rather than History) on 18th-century women writers. 

Some universities have set up blogging platforms for their students, though I don&#039;t know how common this is. Warwick was one of the first I encountered for a British university, some years ago, and it seems reasonably well thought out and quite active: http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/ 

Sheffield have one of sorts too, but they insist on putting it all under university branding and it&#039;s part of some over-elaborate social platform  thing (which I think they actually *paid* for). What student wants to have a blog that looks like an official University webpage, ffs? (So, a couple of ways *not* to reduce the barriers.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;ll drop by here, but Tim Hitchcock mentioned on Twitter the other day that he makes his students blog their assessed work, and his justification to them for making them do it is that even as undergraduates they&#8217;re part of a scholarly community. </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a handful of independent student (other than PhD student) blogs in Early Modern Commons, and there&#8217;s recently been a good students&#8217; course blog (from an English dept rather than History) on 18th-century women writers. </p>
<p>Some universities have set up blogging platforms for their students, though I don&#8217;t know how common this is. Warwick was one of the first I encountered for a British university, some years ago, and it seems reasonably well thought out and quite active: <a href="http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/</a> </p>
<p>Sheffield have one of sorts too, but they insist on putting it all under university branding and it&#8217;s part of some over-elaborate social platform  thing (which I think they actually *paid* for). What student wants to have a blog that looks like an official University webpage, ffs? (So, a couple of ways *not* to reduce the barriers.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Academic blogging: pleasure and credit by Nick</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 21:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this post (and the discussion) really interesting because I have no familiarity with the REF or its US equivalents. Having never got further than postgraduate study, I&#039;ve never had to experience that world - it may be my naivety but is that the REF really that blunt an instrument when it comes to the metrics it collects? (shakes head in horror). I can certainly see the concern that blogging as a form or genre (or in practice, forms and genres) would get confused with blogging as a medium, and that you&#039;d simply get measured on whether you&#039;d set up a WordPress account and posted a certain number of times a year. 

I wondered what had prompted the question at the start of your post - that is, how to ensure academics got more credit for blogging? Is it to try to encourage more academics to blog? Or to ensure that those who are already blogging get more recognition for it? My own experience isn&#039;t really that generalisable given that I&#039;m not an academic, but from my perspective I have found that blogging brings rewards outside the context you&#039;d expect. For example I have ended up doing periodic reviews for History Today as a result of reviewing books on my blog. I also got an approach from an agent to develop a book proposal, although that came to nothing in the end. But I think that sort of recognition outside academia is something that blogs can definitely generate, and which would provide a means of recognition for some.

Generally though I think the best two outcomes I&#039;ve got from blogging have been having an outlet to write for myself (nobody tells me to post, even though people do read it, which is in sharp opposition to the writing I do for my day job) - and also meeting lots of like-minded people (mostly virtually but a few in real life). While not recognition as such, they are an alternative reason to blog and one that I can see early-career academics, who have perhaps got bogged down in writing for others or ploughing quite a narrow scholarly furrow, finding attractive. Whether that&#039;s enough, given the demands of the REF and the pressure to allocate one&#039;s limited time to activities that generate a more corporate reward, I don&#039;t know though.

While I am commenting I wonder if I might expand Sharon&#039;s question to cover undergraduates and postgraduates? I think it&#039;s still the case that most of the history blogs I see are written by people with PhDs or other postgrad qualifications. I can see how you might be put off from starting a blog altogether if you were just embarking on studying history. Have any of you used blogs in your teaching - that is, encouraged students to start them? Or have you come across students who started them independently? I started my own just before I began a Masters, but was in a slightly different position in that I was doing it part-time and returning to study after a number of years away from university. In that sense I had little to lose by blogging, but I was still careful to keep my name off it for at least a year or two. I think it was the Mercurius Rusticus affair which made me think I ought to be honest about attributing the views I was expressing. But it still felt like a risk - like one of my tutors might see it and criticise it, or that proper academics would be dismissive of it. Anyway that&#039;s a very long-winded way of asking - what credit and recognition should students get for blogging, and what might be done to reduce the barriers to them starting in the first place/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this post (and the discussion) really interesting because I have no familiarity with the REF or its US equivalents. Having never got further than postgraduate study, I&#8217;ve never had to experience that world &#8211; it may be my naivety but is that the REF really that blunt an instrument when it comes to the metrics it collects? (shakes head in horror). I can certainly see the concern that blogging as a form or genre (or in practice, forms and genres) would get confused with blogging as a medium, and that you&#8217;d simply get measured on whether you&#8217;d set up a WordPress account and posted a certain number of times a year. </p>
<p>I wondered what had prompted the question at the start of your post &#8211; that is, how to ensure academics got more credit for blogging? Is it to try to encourage more academics to blog? Or to ensure that those who are already blogging get more recognition for it? My own experience isn&#8217;t really that generalisable given that I&#8217;m not an academic, but from my perspective I have found that blogging brings rewards outside the context you&#8217;d expect. For example I have ended up doing periodic reviews for History Today as a result of reviewing books on my blog. I also got an approach from an agent to develop a book proposal, although that came to nothing in the end. But I think that sort of recognition outside academia is something that blogs can definitely generate, and which would provide a means of recognition for some.</p>
<p>Generally though I think the best two outcomes I&#8217;ve got from blogging have been having an outlet to write for myself (nobody tells me to post, even though people do read it, which is in sharp opposition to the writing I do for my day job) &#8211; and also meeting lots of like-minded people (mostly virtually but a few in real life). While not recognition as such, they are an alternative reason to blog and one that I can see early-career academics, who have perhaps got bogged down in writing for others or ploughing quite a narrow scholarly furrow, finding attractive. Whether that&#8217;s enough, given the demands of the REF and the pressure to allocate one&#8217;s limited time to activities that generate a more corporate reward, I don&#8217;t know though.</p>
<p>While I am commenting I wonder if I might expand Sharon&#8217;s question to cover undergraduates and postgraduates? I think it&#8217;s still the case that most of the history blogs I see are written by people with PhDs or other postgrad qualifications. I can see how you might be put off from starting a blog altogether if you were just embarking on studying history. Have any of you used blogs in your teaching &#8211; that is, encouraged students to start them? Or have you come across students who started them independently? I started my own just before I began a Masters, but was in a slightly different position in that I was doing it part-time and returning to study after a number of years away from university. In that sense I had little to lose by blogging, but I was still careful to keep my name off it for at least a year or two. I think it was the Mercurius Rusticus affair which made me think I ought to be honest about attributing the views I was expressing. But it still felt like a risk &#8211; like one of my tutors might see it and criticise it, or that proper academics would be dismissive of it. Anyway that&#8217;s a very long-winded way of asking &#8211; what credit and recognition should students get for blogging, and what might be done to reduce the barriers to them starting in the first place/</p>
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		<title>Comment on Academic blogging: pleasure and credit by Sharon Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 06:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mandated project blogs are an interesting phenomenon - I&#039;ve set up a few now and it&#039;s been hit and miss. (The most interesting, or least boring, one was used mainly for drafts of background material on the final website, and the most recent one turned into a repository for project documents which I&#039;m pretty sure no one but us will ever read.) 

I don&#039;t think of them in the same category as personal blogs, and how well they work is still really dependent on personal engagement; but good ones - like some of the departmental group blogs that are popping up over here because universities are looking for ways to raise their profile for student recruitment - do possibly show a more creative way ahead than my nightmare scenario. 

I could easily approach what I&#039;m prodding away at in a rather different way, on reflection. How much of the worth of academic blogging is dependent simply on scarcity, the fact that only a minority of academics do it and therefore it stands out (good or bad)? Conversely, how many of the problems with academic publishing are the result, basically, of mandation and over-supply? 

I argued up top that making blogging mandatory for all academics (and I do genuinely worry that&#039;s where we&#039;ll end up, in the UK at least) would destroy much of what makes it valuable. But you could also argue that making serial publishing compulsory for all academics, turning scholarship into a mass production line, destroyed much of the intellectual value of publishing. Because the people pulling the purse strings and making policy decisions don&#039;t &#039;get&#039; scholarship any more than they &#039;get&#039; blogging.

(I say all of this as someone who has essentially stepped off the production line. I don&#039;t believe I would still be working in a university if I hadn&#039;t had that option. But it puts me in a decidedly marginal position; one day the projects may run out and then I&#039;ll be a bit screwed.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandated project blogs are an interesting phenomenon &#8211; I&#8217;ve set up a few now and it&#8217;s been hit and miss. (The most interesting, or least boring, one was used mainly for drafts of background material on the final website, and the most recent one turned into a repository for project documents which I&#8217;m pretty sure no one but us will ever read.) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think of them in the same category as personal blogs, and how well they work is still really dependent on personal engagement; but good ones &#8211; like some of the departmental group blogs that are popping up over here because universities are looking for ways to raise their profile for student recruitment &#8211; do possibly show a more creative way ahead than my nightmare scenario. </p>
<p>I could easily approach what I&#8217;m prodding away at in a rather different way, on reflection. How much of the worth of academic blogging is dependent simply on scarcity, the fact that only a minority of academics do it and therefore it stands out (good or bad)? Conversely, how many of the problems with academic publishing are the result, basically, of mandation and over-supply? </p>
<p>I argued up top that making blogging mandatory for all academics (and I do genuinely worry that&#8217;s where we&#8217;ll end up, in the UK at least) would destroy much of what makes it valuable. But you could also argue that making serial publishing compulsory for all academics, turning scholarship into a mass production line, destroyed much of the intellectual value of publishing. Because the people pulling the purse strings and making policy decisions don&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; scholarship any more than they &#8216;get&#8217; blogging.</p>
<p>(I say all of this as someone who has essentially stepped off the production line. I don&#8217;t believe I would still be working in a university if I hadn&#8217;t had that option. But it puts me in a decidedly marginal position; one day the projects may run out and then I&#8217;ll be a bit screwed.)</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Newton Key]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 15:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One small addendum: as for blocking required blogging, that ship has sailed. How many authors are urged by their publishers, how many large grant recipients are required by their institutional funders to add a blog to the mix? And some of those (on networks, etc.) are pretty interesting. If we were really worried about blotting our own copy book with blogging, we wouldn&#039;t use our own names on our blogs would we? Instead, whether it &quot;counts&quot; or not, academic bloggers have decided for better or worse to define their own image/brand as marketers would have it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One small addendum: as for blocking required blogging, that ship has sailed. How many authors are urged by their publishers, how many large grant recipients are required by their institutional funders to add a blog to the mix? And some of those (on networks, etc.) are pretty interesting. If we were really worried about blotting our own copy book with blogging, we wouldn&#8217;t use our own names on our blogs would we? Instead, whether it &#8220;counts&#8221; or not, academic bloggers have decided for better or worse to define their own image/brand as marketers would have it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 08:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if &#039;recognition&#039; is something which could be achieved without &#039;credit&#039;. I worry that if blogs are &#039;REF&#039;d&#039; or otherwise measured officially, not only would it endanger the appealingly relaxed and conversational style of many blogs, it would discourage academics from blogging at all through worry that they might get it &#039;wrong&#039; and damage their own prospects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if &#8216;recognition&#8217; is something which could be achieved without &#8216;credit&#8217;. I worry that if blogs are &#8216;REF&#8217;d&#8217; or otherwise measured officially, not only would it endanger the appealingly relaxed and conversational style of many blogs, it would discourage academics from blogging at all through worry that they might get it &#8216;wrong&#8217; and damage their own prospects.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Academic blogging: pleasure and credit by Sharon Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 06:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I agree - I didn&#039;t mean it to come across as an absolute distinction. There was a paragraph I started to write but couldn&#039;t quite articulate that wanted to be more positive about how blogging (and the digital transformations blogging is part of) represent a great opportunity for ideas of scholarship as engaged, multi-faceted process rather than being focused on final product. (I&#039;m still struggling to articulate it, largely because I don&#039;t really *feel* that positive.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree &#8211; I didn&#8217;t mean it to come across as an absolute distinction. There was a paragraph I started to write but couldn&#8217;t quite articulate that wanted to be more positive about how blogging (and the digital transformations blogging is part of) represent a great opportunity for ideas of scholarship as engaged, multi-faceted process rather than being focused on final product. (I&#8217;m still struggling to articulate it, largely because I don&#8217;t really *feel* that positive.)</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Dresner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 04:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes &quot;varied and flexible&quot; is a euphemism for &quot;arbitrary and capricious&quot;: I&#039;ve included my blogging in every dossier since I started, and nobody&#039;s ever been able to figure out what it should count towards or given me credit for it, as near as I can tell. It&#039;s helped open some doors on jobs, though, and enhanced my life in many other ways; wasn&#039;t doing it for the money, anyway.

That said, I wouldn&#039;t think it overwhelmingly hard to develop a measure by which a certain mass of blogging (by word count, perhaps, with some measure of impact through linkage and comment volume?) could be considered a &quot;unit of output.&quot; 

Now when you get to the kind of DH stuff you&#039;re doing, that&#039;s a whole other mess...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes &#8220;varied and flexible&#8221; is a euphemism for &#8220;arbitrary and capricious&#8221;: I&#8217;ve included my blogging in every dossier since I started, and nobody&#8217;s ever been able to figure out what it should count towards or given me credit for it, as near as I can tell. It&#8217;s helped open some doors on jobs, though, and enhanced my life in many other ways; wasn&#8217;t doing it for the money, anyway.</p>
<p>That said, I wouldn&#8217;t think it overwhelmingly hard to develop a measure by which a certain mass of blogging (by word count, perhaps, with some measure of impact through linkage and comment volume?) could be considered a &#8220;unit of output.&#8221; </p>
<p>Now when you get to the kind of DH stuff you&#8217;re doing, that&#8217;s a whole other mess&#8230;</p>
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